Breaking Through, Part 2
FINDING YOUR VOICE
with Joel Boggess
“Breaking Through” with Lance Wallnau
Podcast #107 on March 19, 2012
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>> I have a voice.
>> I have a voice.
>> I have a voice.
>> And no one can find it but me.
>> Knowing my voice is understanding who I really am.
>> What excites me and what I stand for.
>> I owe it to myself. I owe it to my family.
>> I owe it to God. When you find your voice, you find a way back.
>> You find a way back.
>> You find a way back to yourself.
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>>JOEL: Hi, it’s me, Joel; and welcome back to Finding Your Voice. Today is part two of the conversation with Dr. Lance Wallnau.
Dr. Lance is expanding on the power that’s available when one makes a decision to step into the person that God has created them to be. Now, back to the show.
Can you think of one other example, Dr. Lance, when a person was able to connect with some of the stories that you’re talking about — some of the analogies that you’re drawing, like the one of the pyramid for instance, when someone’s light went off. I’ve seen, gosh, several — some of your programs.
>>LANCE: Its prolific. I mean, you know, quite frankly, I sometimes have been frustrated because I say, what am I actually doing when I’m doing all this coaching, consulting, speaking, dehdah, dehdah, dehdah. What’s the unifying thing? Here it is.
Remember when Joshua — when there was — Israel had these rods of these elders that they all had to decide which one was the rod that God had anointed. It was they took their rods, they put them in the presence of God. These are the staffs of all the tribes. They put them in the presence of God overnight, and one rod had supernatural fruit in the morning; it was the rod of Aaron. It budded, which is amazing. You got a dead stick producing fresh life. What the Lord was saying to me in that is that when you take who you are into his presence and you walk in that alignment with your heavenly identity, that God begins to produce supernatural fruit on the vine. Meaning that your life begins to produce supernatural fruit.
For me, who people are, what they’re called to do starts to bud. When I get to do my Rabbi thing and whether I’m teaching, coaching, consulting or something, when I’m in that revelation zone, they’re calling their assignment and their destiny and the steps to get the next level start to supernaturally bud. If that isn’t happening when I’m with someone, it’s an indication that I’m not assigned to them or they’re not assigned to me.
What I realize is a unifying factor for my clients is that there’s no one method I’m doing. It’s just by having a dialogue, like you and I are having now. Dialogue is God in the conversation. When God comes down and joins the conversation, he can’t talk without creating. If I’m with the right people, there’s supernatural clarity. There’s supernatural direction. I’m amused, almost, at the number of entrepreneurs and people that launched a business that say they got it from me, and I don’t remember what it was I said they’re talking about. They heard what God wanted them to hear and it might have even been without saying.
>>JOEL: One of your programs, you talked about how God’s voice joins the flow of a person’s conversation: their internal dialogues.
>>JOEL: Could you unpack that a little bit. I think that’s so important.
>>LANCE: Yeah, Minnesota University says that we think at the average rate of, like, 1200 words per minute.
>>LANCE: I’ll have to check some other university updates on that; but what that means is that we’re thinking a lot faster than we’re talking. I always say — I joke — I say if by reason of Starbucks, it could be 1500 words a minute. So you could tell people have a lot of traffic going on in their head.
How do you know what God is saying? Because God in the dialogue, when you meditate upon the word, when you spend time in its presence, when you’re in the company of anointed teaching, which is what you do, which is what I do, the anointing, John says, teaches us all things, which means that the anointing that is on you or that is on we will quicken in sight in revelation to the spirit that is in someone else.
So for me, the real secret thing is to be always in proximity. Proximity is power. Be in proximity to the people and the resources that are quickening your spirit, and learn to trust the quickening. Learn to trust the fact that if God’s in something, that you may not know exactly where you’re going; but the steps of the good man are ordered by the Lord, which means the stuff clarifies under your feet or in front of your path as you walk. That’s the life of faith.
>>LANCE: I think believers have to embrace that. What specifically was the question you were looking for right there? I’m thinking, and I just went off on a tangent.
>>JOEL: Sure. You actually clarified it. I just — I love the illustration of God joins the flow of conversation was the example.
>>LANCE: The point is that when God joins the flow of conversation by meditating and moving in the dialogos or the– in the — think of it as a frequency. It’s not too new age. You adjust your frequency to the channel, the FM station. You go from AM, which may be all about you, to FM. You move it up a little bit and what happens is God’s talking.
The problem isn’t — we are often trying to, you know, get God to talk. Often, the Lord is speaking; and we’re not able to discern what he is saying.
>>LANCE: When we move into that zone — that’s why I think peace is such an important power because peace is the context into which you can discern most readily the voice of God. So God is joining the conversation in your head.
>>LANCE: When you’re having a dialogue with his word. So the thoughts are coming into your head spontaneously.
Remember when we said Philippians, God is working you to do and will his good pleasure? Well, he said work, therefore, in your think. He’s drifting thoughts into your head, which is why desire is so powerful. The desire that you desire is actually his desire surfacing in you.
>>LANCE: Those things that you actually are hoping or wanting or desiring to do are God’s way of telegraphing to you what he wants you to pray for in the next season that he wants to set up and manifest.
>>JOEL: You’re absolutely right. I can think of several people that I’ve worked with that once they sat down and started writing out their thoughts, a floodgate opened; and they just poured everything. They didn’t hold anything back. It was amazing. It was freeing, and it was empowering because they let themselves flow in that anointing.
>>LANCE: You know, that’s the deal. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) you would ask gets in the way and how do believers actually, properly judge the flash, sanctify ambition. Because selfish ambition, we’re warned against.
If I talk to an entrepreneur and they’re, like, and this happens to me, and it drives me nuts, if they haven’t dealt with the loss to for wealth, the desire for the acquisition of more, covetousness, competition, selfish ambition; then if they’re called to the marketplace, they take material like what we’re saying and they go, yeah, and they don’t even bother to realize the red flags that are going up. Because when we have a desire for something, the secret is to connect the two the greater mission and purpose of the kingdom. So that If I have a gift for the acquisition of wealth, what I really need to do is I need to sanctify the desire so that it is — I’m dialoguing with God about it in terms of the purpose for it. If I have the wealth of influence, the wealth of gifting, the wealth of access — I talked to Ken Blanchard, you know, he’s got 20 million books sold. He’s a best seller: ten different books; and he’s one of the few guys I actually heard who said the goodness of the Lord led him to repentance. Most of us come to the kingdom because of guilt, conviction, or crises.
I finally met someone who got blessed so much he had to submit. Ken said he was walking down the beach one day and a Christian, friend of his, said, did you ever think, Ken, all this stuff isn’t you? You’re okay and you’re smart, but this is way out of your league. He just wrote The One Minute Manager, and the thing is exploding.
He said at that moment on the beach he realized — he’s always had a, kind of, sense of God — he said I could not have done this. This has got to be the hand of Almighty God blessing me. At that moment, he was open to receiving the gospel and receiving Christ. Here’s the thing he told me. He said, you know, since I’ve become a Christian later in life, I noticed you guys — he still referred to us as a separate culture at that time — you guys in ministry, you’re constantly focusing on a Calvinistic worldview on sin, meaning that you’re so keen on sin, even man, it’s all about original sin and the wickedness of the heart and the depravity and sin. He said I wonder why you guys don’t focus on the original potential? He said because before Adam fell, he was made in the image of God. Why don’t you put your emphasis on not the fall but on the potential that was lost so when people come to Christ they can see more of the goodness of God. That blew my mind.
Now, what we’re doing is we’re saying the church has to have a pendulum that says many of the believers struggling over passion are actually struggling with a focus on the sin side rather than on the potential of what that passion is meant to manifest. If they love God with all their heart, they’ll sanctify the gift. It’s better to do it by loving God than by becoming a Pharisee and trying to judge it.
>>JOEL: Delight yourself in the Lord.
>>JOEL AND LANCE: He’ll give you the hearts desire for it.
Dr. Lance, one of the things I wanted to also ask you about is emotional drivers. You had started — you had touched on emotional drivers and talked about the drive for significance. What are some of the other emotional drivers?
>>LANCE: What got me into this thing was when — everybody has probably done some form of temper meant temperament analysis because there’s so many out. They have the Myers, (UNINTELLIBIBLE) different ones. Strength finders out there, big now. It has to do with these tools people use to identify their personality profile, so to speak.
>>LANCE: There are four dominant characteristics that come out — they’re called four factor. All psychologists keep coming up with it. I asked the Lord, I said, what are these? The Lord took me in an interesting way and took me to the veil that covers the holy of holies, which in Hebrews it says the veil corresponds to his flesh, meeting Jesus. Remember, when he cried out, it is finished, the veil was torn in the temple because the veil corresponded to him. When he gave his life, the curtain, the veil was torn and access to the glory of God and the Holy Spirit was released. On the veil was embroidered “cherubim.” I thought, why cherubim? Because the cherubim are these creatures — these unique creatures in heaven — that have four faces: the face of a lion, the face of a man, the face of an ox, and the face of an eagle.
Then it clicked. These four factor psychological studies that keep coming up with four dominant personality drivers, four dominant emotional drivers, is picking up on a design that God had; not something a psychologist figured out. Psychologists have figured out what God designed. Those four faces reveal the four faces of Jesus, which is interesting. It’s Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There’s four testimonies.
The face of the lion is the dominant personality that is driven to achieve, driven to accomplish.
>>LANCE: We’ve got them out there. Whatever your passion is, if you’re a lion, you’re inpatient, direct, forceful, dynamic, you move towards a confrontation, you’re not afraid of taking chances or risks and that’s a lion. That’s the image of God. Your passion is connected to your temperament.
>>LANCE: If you’re the significance, like little girl with the picture I’d mentioned earlier on the refrigerator?
>>LANCE: If you’ve got a significant need, that’s the face of the man. Because the face of the man is the communicator, influencer, the charismatic part of the Godhead. This is the multitudes that follows Jesus. The favor that made him a favorite with the populace. If that’s you, then you love change, you love uncertainty, you love significance, you love excitement, you love communicating, you love — you’re driven by ideas and shaping the environment.
To an extent, significance, uncertainty, or recognition is factors that can be on those liens and on those faces of men.
The face of the oxen is connection. The oxen is the only one of those four faces that is a vegetarian, frankly. All of the others — you know, the face of the lion, man, and eagle all eat meat. The oxen is the connection person. That’s a person who’s driven by stability, connection, relationship, loyalty. These are people that are not as prone to change and erratic behavior. These are the Abrahams in the Bible who are accommodating the (UNINTELLIGIBLE), who are like lions, who are trying to make peace with their enemies by not fighting, unless you touch their family, which is interesting.
Abraham had 300 household servants who became terrorists when the nephew, Lot, was taken. So when this connection need person, who is normally a pacifist and just a peace lover, touched their family — and they’ve got all claws, which is fascinating.
Then you’ve got the face of the eagle. The eagle is driven by certainty. It’s a need for accuracy, to do things right, to do it correctly, to do perfectly. These are people that are typically driven by analytical needs, which make them very meticulous in the execution of whatever they do.
You take significance, certainty, connection, uncertainty, take these drivers and you realize that temperament and passion are closely related. The world has it before they become a Christian, the Christian has it before they become a Christian.
What separates the two, and this is important, is the Holy Spirit sanctifies the passion for a higher purpose. Which means that you may be able to have this ability to make wealth, but God will capture your heart for a cause behind the wealth.
>>LANCE: So I like working with people I can bring into the kingdom that have wealth and lead them to Jesus so they can discover what the wealth is for; or I like working with believers that already have the gift for wealth, who are seeking what is God saying because then they can find a purpose for it.
But wealth isn’t just money: the wealth of influence, the wealth of personality, the wealth of talent, the wealth of access. The two things that sanctify your passion in those temperaments is growth and contribution. That’s critical. Your willingness to grow more in the image of Christ will sanctify your passion. Their willingness to contribute, which means how can I leverage this passion and gift that I’ve got to a greater good so that when I die, and I stand before Jesus, I will not have built something which has no eternal meaning.
If you can take growth and contribution and make them real, meaning I’m going to grow more and more every day in the image of Christ, grow more and more fruitful every day, I’m going to grow what God called me to do more every day for his purpose; and then focus on how can I make this a massive contribution to the earth, to make the world better. Then that sanctifies the passion without you having to get religious.
>>JOEL: Wow! Four emotional drivers significance, recognition, certainty, and then uncertainty and what you said one time in a video was the need for variety is one way to look at that.
>>LANCE: Right. And uncertainty is variety because when you think about it, the need for variety means I don’t want something I’ve already seen or done and that’s the uncertainty itch.
>>LANCE: And then that other one — the other part that’s in their — because I said four; but if you really want to break it down and not be technical, that connection thing, that oxen?
>>LANCE: Is massive. I mean, 60% of your audience out there relates to this. A lot of women have high connection needs that are frustrated because they marry into their life, typically, someone who’s not like them. They marry the lion who’s all about doing and not about being because you attract yourself something that helps you feel more complete; so you draw into the vacuum of your life a person who’s not like you. You got a lot of women who have high connection needs who are frequently married to people who don’t get it. They don’t understand what their wife wants.
>>JOEL: A wealth of information.
You may have heard this on the first show. Dr. Lance has made this wonderful offer available only to Four Points Coaching listeners. Here’s Jonathan and I talking about everything that’s included in our special offer.
>>JONATHAN: The most powerful thing in our life training events that I’ve seen has been, like Lance said earlier in the podcast, he brings people up on stage and he does this miracle makeover, and it’s incredible seeing the — almost seeing their minds being unlocked and freed to understand what their true passion is.
What we’ve actually made available is a recording of one of those $2500 training events. We’ve created — and I work a lot with the next generation and so it’s something that I often hear people in event say is I wish I’d learned this 20 years ago. That’s why we’ve made it available to the next generation.
Today what were going to do, just for this group of listeners, is we’re going to put together a recording of this — it’s a 20 minute recording of Lance taking somebody through this passion process.
>>JONATHAN: He literally helps a 23-year-old girl get clear on what her passions are. We’ve combined it with a PDF of some reading material you can go through; and actually,, Joel, I wanted to share a little bit about there’s a new e-book you’ve just come out with?
>>JOEL: Yes. Thank you for asking me about that. It’s a powerful e-book. Passion: Four Places You Forgot to Look. It gives people four points of how they can really get in touch with their passion. It combines some of what I’ve learned and what I’ve discovered from some of the clients I’ve worked with. It actually gives their examples. There’s audio podcasts that are involved also in the e-book, and it’s a very powerful tool to help people look at passion and look at their passion in a completely different way. I’m real excited about that. Passion: Four Places You Forgot to Look.
>>JONATHAN: Okay. Well, what we’re going to do today then is we’ve got this 20 minute video module of Lance doing some training, we’ve got a PDF, we’ve got your e-book which includes podcasts as well.
>>JONATHAN: We’re going to put all of that together for one product just for this group of listeners today. I believe we can go to fourpointscoaching.com/lance; is that correct?
>>JOEL: Fourpointscoaching.com/lance. Absolutely.
>>JONATHAN: And for just $24.95, for just this group of listeners, we’re going to make this available.
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Don’t miss out on that irresistible offer. You’re probably at your computer right now, so go to the website right now and grab it.
>>JOEL: Fourpointscoaching.com/lance. A great product.
Dr. Lance, thank you so much for coming over. Jonathan, it was a pleasure to meet you; and I look forward to having you on the show again.
>>JONATHAN: Absolutely. Think you, Joel.
>>JOEL: All the best, God bless.
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